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Plan to keep Vanguard past-1960

In 1959 the Admiralty announced that HMS Vanguard would be scrapped as she was obsolete and too expensive to operate.If we want to keep Vanguard through the 1960s and perhaps beyond how do we address...

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istobie wrote: I've not at any point compared a Tiger with a pair of BB's. That'd be *stupid* EMC summarised my point quite effectively above.Sorry, istobie, but you wrote: "BB guns would make bigger...

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Kongo and Haruna both had 8 x 14 inch guns. Both RN cruisers had fully automatic 6" gun mounts that could throw 40 shells/minute. The cruisers would probably be better at wrecking everything above...

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Just a N00B question here on cratering a runways. OK, its really easy to repair the runways with gravel, dirt, bull dozers and metal mats. How would the repair jobs effect flight operations? IE I have...

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wabpilot wrote:istobie wrote: I've not at any point compared a Tiger with a pair of BB's. That'd be *stupid* EMC summarised my point quite effectively above.Sorry, istobie, but you wrote: "BB guns...

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miketr wrote: Just a N00B question here on cratering a runways. OK, its really easy to repair the runways with gravel, dirt, bull dozers and metal mats. How would the repair jobs effect flight...

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Since we're on the subject of improvised/patched runways, are there any aircraft today that can't operate on a patched runway? I would assume heavies like a B-52 or B-1 may have problems? Cargo...

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FreshAirSnipe wrote: Since we're on the subject of improvised/patched runways, are there any aircraft today that can't operate on a patched runway?    The general answer is it depends. On the Boeing...

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HMS Glamorgan carried out a number of fire missions against the runway at Port Stanley but found parking a Seaslug on the runway a much greater deterrent to flying operations (=1.5 tons of scrap metal...

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iirc, if the Argentinians had waited a few weeks, the through-deck cruisers would have been gone. Does anybody really think that the same sort of defense review would have kept Vanguard, Tiger, or...

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Warspite was probably not viable but Renown, Queen Elizabeth, Valiant, Nelson or one of the KGV's were. What at terrible, terrible shame one was not saved especially in the country that invented the...

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Admiral Beez wrote:I suppose the best plan to keep Vanguard would be to find a credible use for her, and of course FUNDING. 1950s - For starters, send her to Korea in 1950 to join USS Iowa in...

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SeaslugMk2 wrote:HMS Glamorgan carried out a number of fire missions against the runway at Port Stanley but found parking a Seaslug on the runway a much greater deterrent to flying operations (=1.5...

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You know folks there is one important point we seem to have forgotten. If HMS Vanguard was still around and it was thought or conceived she could be quickly sent to sea, and/or HMS Tiger or Blake was...

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In my opinion, the Royal Navy would have been better served by one or two battleships than the aircraft carriers they have built over the last six decades.

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Imagine Vanguard in 1982! Instead of the Vulcan having a go at Port Stanley airfield it may have been British 15 incher's!

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She'd have been razor blades by then

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If any RN battleship was to have been preserved it should have been Warspite not Vanguard; Warspite had seen action in both world wars and survived whereas Vanguard didn't fight any other ships....

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Warspite ... preserved yes, but as a museum. I don't think they even bothered to fully repair the damage from the Fritz-X, did they?

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bgile wrote:Warspite ... preserved yes, but as a museum. I don't think they even bothered to fully repair the damage from the Fritz-X, did they?No they stuck a concrete plug in the keel and plated...

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Warspite was in poor condition post 1945 and was bound for the breakers yard. Vanguard lasted till 1960 and some KGV's till the late 50's. So in reality - IF any British BB had been preserved it would...

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